Do You Have To Register The Dji Spark

cundare Offline lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Message Usa Offline	1 # Here'due south what's confusing.  The Spark has a 300g "takeoff weight" but  without its 95g battery, weighs about 205g, well nether the 0.55lb/250g  minimum requirement for FAA registration.  (See, for example, the FAA.gov  document "geting_started/model_aircraft/media/UAS_Weights_Registration.pdf").  So  it appears that, based on the most administrative source of information available, you don't demand to register a Spark.  However, the Web is full of claims that the Spark is subject to registration.  I'chiliad guessing that the defoliation is because the statute under which the FAA enacted its registrations did non specify whether battery weight should exist included.  However, the FAA document states that the weight it considers does not include "the weight of a camera, sensor, bombardment or other device that may be added to the aircraft equally an pick, thereby increasing the aircraft's weight."  That seems pretty clear. Anybody take boosted insight into this? Favorite 2 Like two
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PS013 Offline PS013 Helm Flying distance : 3579409 ft + Add together Friend Person Message United States Offline	ii # I don't call back y'all tin can telephone call the battery an option, as it can not takeoff without information technology ....
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PS013 Offline PS013 Captain Flight distance : 3579409 ft + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	three # Oh, and if I remember properly, there was a label on the box of my spark stating it need to be registered ...
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dj_dread Offline dj_dread Captain Flight distance : 648399 ft + Add Friend Person Message Romania Offline	iv # "take off weight" includes the battery equally well.
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hallmark007 Online hallmark007 Captain Flight distance : 7269285 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message Ireland Online	5 # For the sake of $5 I don't see whatsoever trouble here, think the fact that you lot have a registered drone will help y'all out when flying outside.
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peselito Offline peselito lvl.3 + Add Friend Person Message The states Offline	vii # hallmark007 Posted at 2018-1-27 16:02 For the sake of $five I don't see any problem here, think the fact that yous accept a registered drone will help you out when flying exterior. Hey! I was wondering which registration I have to do on the FAA site. Since I am using the drone for hobby and recreational usage only, I was thinking that department 336 (flying under special dominion for model aircraft) is the manner to go. Am I correct with that assumption?
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hallmark007 Online hallmark007 Helm Flight distance : 7269285 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message Ireland Online	8 # peselito Posted at 2018-ane-27 sixteen:55 Hey! I was wondering which registration I have to exercise on the FAA site. Since I am using the drone for hobby and recreational usage but, I was thinking that section 336 (flying nether special rule for model aircraft) is the way to become. Yep that's all you need to practise.
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A CW Offline A CW Captain Flying distance : 13838848 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message United Kingdom Offline	nine # I've checked their website and information technology doesn't legally stipulate 'payload weight' or 'weight upon take off' - just that the drone needs to be over 250g to register... Mutual sense dictates that the battery will evidently need to be included as part of the drone in lodge to gain lift into airspace and I would therefore annals the Spark as over 250g with the bombardment fitted but legally that could be debatable as it's non stated in the FAA'southward requirements for registration. An oversight on their function.
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"Maverick"1776 Offline "Maverick"1776 Kickoff Officer Flight distance : 22123 ft + Add together Friend Person Message U.s. Offline	11 # Since Spark weighs .66lbs, and FAA mandates registration of .55lbs or college, I registered mine. It'due south only $v for three years. Meliorate to be prophylactic and in compliance.
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Grmachine Offline Grmachine Second Officer + Add Friend Person Message The states Offline	12 # Spark requires registration.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Bulletin United States Offline	13 # Grmachine Posted at 2018-1-28 17:36 Spark requires registration. Thank you for all the quick responses, only please read my question a footling more closely.  The FAA document I cited gives specific examples of which drones require registration, stating repeatedly that it does not consider battery weight when making these determinations.  These slightly ambiguous statements are the only ones I can find online by the FAA on this event , but they'e repeated and then often in the document that the FAA obviously considers this an of import issue.  My question is most  reconciling this document with the commonly held online conventionalities that the Spark -- well under .55lb/250g w/o bombardment -- falls within the telescopic of the regs in question.  In other words, this FAA document -- from the nigh administrative source -- strongly implies that the Spark may non require registration. I submitted this question to the FAA itself last week, but have non received a response.  I asked the question here b/c I thought that somebody else in the community might take already made what I'd have expected to exist an obvious query. If not, I'll post the FAA'south response hither, if one arrives.
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S-due east-ven Offline S-e-ven Captain Flight altitude : 5835331 ft + Add Friend Person Message Thailand Offline	14 # >does non include "the weight of a camera, sensor, battery or other device that may be added to the aircraft as an option,< The 'option' camera would be the non needed Get-Pro on a <250g DIY racequad plus a 2d bombardment to gain some existent air-time. As long you tin can't fly a quad with a weight under 250g, there are no options hither
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Bright Spark Offline Bright Spark First Officeholder Flight distance : 22129 ft + Add Friend Person Message United Kingdom Offline	16 # If a manufacturer'south batt of l yard were available, so no reg would be required. You could still have adept pictures with v min flight fourth dimension. Plus many hobbyist drones have  variable configurations. Although I'm in UK, registration is coming.
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fansde510068 Offline fansde510068 lvl.three + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	17 # In the Usa information technology cost $5 every three years. With the flip-flop of having to register hobby quads so not having to and then having to you might besides annals it. If you are not doing illegal things with your arts and crafts either there is almost no reason you will ever accept to show to someone that it is registered. Just reason to be worried about being able to track your arts and crafts is if its being used for illegal things.
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Bright Spark Offline Vivid Spark First Officeholder Flight distance : 22129 ft + Add Friend Person Message United kingdom Offline	18 # I am happy to annals mine. Non saying it ever volition, but if flight a quad less than 250g meant less brake on when and where it could take place, I would be very neat. You'd go around 15 per cent longer with the weight loss, and more with the latest batt tech. Maybe best function of 10 mins.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Bulletin U.s.a. Offline	nineteen # FWIW, I received an answer today from DJI back up stating that FAA registration is not required for the Spark.
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sSkyPilot Offline sSkyPilot Commencement Officer Flight distance : 311089 ft + Add together Friend Person Message United States Offline	20 # Huh... I'd judge the dominion applies to a shipping with a battery in information technology to be used the fly in a higher place footing. And regardless, registration online is $5. and takes less than 5 minutes. But read the rules  Small Unmanned Shipping during sign-up. Go to it....
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Bright Spark Offline Bright Spark Kickoff Officeholder Flying distance : 22129 ft + Add Friend Person Message United Kingdom Offline	21 # Although I'm in Uk, sounds skillful not to register.Whether CAA volition follow is open. Information technology's immaterial to me in terms of coin etc, merely I live in hope that sub 250 gm drones generate a lower contour.
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FatherXmas Offline FatherXmas Captain Flight distance : 4058619 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Bulletin U.s. Offline	22 # I remember reading somewhere that the weight includes everything required to take off which would include the battery. Since there seems to be a lot of conflicting data about the need to register or not, just my opinion, I recall I'd get ahead and register. For $5, why risk it? From the FAA website: 'Y'all volition exist subject to ceremonious and criminal penalties if you lot meet the criteria to register an unmanned aircraft and do not annals.'
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Aeromirage Offline Aeromirage Captain Flying distance : 1778045 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	23 # This is from DJI.com https://world wide web.dji.com/flyingtips/us?from=dji-shop zzj.jpg (0 Bytes, Downwardly times: 25)
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Coppertop Offline Coppertop lvl.4 Flight distance : 168658 ft + Add Friend Person Message The states Offline	25 # cundare Posted at 2018-i-30 12:59 FWIW, I received an reply today from DJI support stating that FAA registration is not required for the Spark. With all due respect, DJI is not the FAA. Information technology'south only $5, practiced for 3 years and covers multiple drones. Just register it and fly with ane less worry.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	26 # Aeromirage Posted at 2018-1-30 17:36 This is from DJI.com https://www.dji.com/flyingtips/us?from=dji-store OK, I'm done with this thread.  Virtually all the responses were only guesses, and DJI is apparently the most administrative source bachelor, since the FAA has not responded to my inquiries and has posted only ambiguous information.  And no, the $5 is Non the consequence, for chrissakes, but this is something, as the lawyers say, upon which reasonable mindsd may differ.  Anybody who tin't effigy out why the NY Times reports that the overwhelming majority of drone users practise not register their units is welcome to get pay the $5 for a device that does not crave registration. But thank you for all the responses anyway.  Unless I hear differently from someone with unambiguous chief-source informatio, the issue is closed: although registration is required for DJI'south older models, the Spark falls below the FAA's weight limit, based on the way that the FAA interprets the statutory requirements.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.i + Add Friend Person Message Usa Offline	28 # cundare Posted at 2018-ane-31 12:10 OK, I'm washed with this thread.  Virtually all the responses were just guesses, and DJI is evidently the most authoritative source available, since the FAA has non responded to my inquiries and has posted but ambiguous data.  And no, the $5 is Non the event, for chrissakes, but this is something, as the lawyers say, upon which reasonable mindsd may differ.  Anybody who can't effigy out why the NY Times reports that the overwhelming majority of drone users do not register their units is welcome to go pay the $5 for a device that does not require registration. Only thanks for all the responses anyway.  Unless I hear differently from someone with unambiguous primary-source informatio, the issue is closed: although registration is required for DJI'south older models, the Spark falls below the FAA's weight limit, based on the way that the FAA interprets the statutory requirements. ...but I will forward Aeromirage's link to my DJI customer-service rep to reconcile the information she personally provided me (about no Spark registration requirement) with the conflicting statement at the bottom of Aeromirage's DJI link.  Peradventure she was wrong? Maybe the page needs updating?  If I get any new data, I'll mail service it here. Thanks, Cap!
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Coppertop Offline Coppertop lvl.iv Flight altitude : 168658 ft + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	29 # Per the document you linked in the original post... "The listed weights practise not include the weight of a camera, sensor, battery or other devices that may be added to the shipping equally an pick, thereby increasing the shipping's weight." Terminal I noticed the bombardment on the Spark is not an choice. It is a requirement for flight, not an option. Seems pretty straightforward that the Spark meets the threshold weight to crave registration. A camera or sensor becomes optional when the design allows information technology to exist easily removed and not required for flying. If y'all want to take the gamble and not register your Spark, that's a chance you take but it could turn out to be a costly one.
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Bright Spark Offline Vivid Spark Start Officer Flying altitude : 22129 ft + Add Friend Person Message United Kingdom Offline	31 # So if designed with ii batts,if but 1 of which would  be required for flying, nosotros're there! In that location's nothing wrong with design tailored to the rules. Car manufacturers and many others adjust designs to comply. Equally I posted in a parallel thread, my interest, in the UK, is that legitimate flight is so restricted, that a drone deemed a toy might exist a better bet.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.one + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	32 # Coppertop Posted at 2018-1-31 19:56 Per the certificate y'all linked in the original post... "The listed weights exercise not include the weight of a camera, sensor, bombardment or other devices that may be added to the aircraft as an option, thereby increasing the aircraft'south weight." I just heard back from DJI customer support today who confirmed that, despite the aforementined DJI link (which manifestly only has not been updated to include the Spark), the DJI Spark does not accept to be registered with the FAA unless used for commercial purposes.  I'm yet waiting for the FAA to reply to my asking for information. And all sources tell me that hobbyist drone registration is pretty much never enforced, although I would certainly want to exist in compliance regardless.  At this point, there seems to be little adventure, based on my due diligence, of a "costly mistake."
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Coppertop Offline Coppertop lvl.4 Flight distance : 168658 ft + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	33 # cundare Posted at 2018-2-one 12:48 I merely heard dorsum from DJI customer support today who confirmed that, despite the aforementined DJI link (which plainly simply has not been updated to include the Spark), the DJI Spark does not have to be registered with the FAA unless used for commercial purposes.  I'm notwithstanding waiting for the FAA to reply to my request for information. And all sources tell me that hobbyist drone registration is pretty much never enforced, although I would certainly want to be in compliance regardless.  At this point, there seems to be trivial take chances, based on my due diligence, of a "plush mistake." Sorry. The FAA isn't going to give you a pass considering DJI said you didn't have to register the Spark or because your "sources" say that hobby drone registration is pretty much never enforced. It's a $5 expensive that may never come up into play but if it does, tin save you a world of headaches. Glad information technology's you risking things and non me.
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cundare Offline cundare lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Message United states of america Offline	34 # Coppertop Posted at 2018-ii-i 15:29 Sorry. The FAA isn't going to requite you a pass because DJI said yous didn't have to register the Spark or because your "sources" say that hobby drone registration is pretty much never enforced. Let it go, Coppertop.  The issue appears to be settled.  If that doesn't fit your personal agenda, you can either: i) make the effort to notice and present credible rebuttal testify from a primary source (and if you can add together something new and constructive to the conversation, sure, I'd appreciate that) or 2) STFU and move on. Sitting in that location and just sniping at me considering, when I did the work to educate myself about the issue, I came to an unavoidable conclusion that yous don't want to be true isn't a grown-up option. That's my final word on the field of study until / if / when I hear back directly from the FAA.  My fourth dimension'southward too valuable to wast on trolls.
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Coppertop Offline Coppertop lvl.iv Flight distance : 168658 ft + Add Friend Person Message Us Offline	35 # cundare Posted at 2018-ii-2 11:48 Allow it go, Coppertop.  The upshot appears to be settled.  If that doesn't fit your personal agenda, you can either: i) make the endeavor to find and nowadays apparent rebuttal show from a primary source (and if you tin can add something new and effective to the conversation, certain, I'd appreciate that) or two) STFU and motion on. Sitting there and just sniping at me because, when I did the work to educate myself most the result, I came to an unavoidable conclusion that you lot don't want to be true isn't a grown-upwards option. Here'due south hoping it all works out for the all-time and you never face up a hefty fine for ignoring the obvious.
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k9education Offline k9education lvl.1 Flight altitude : 184 ft + Add Friend Person Bulletin Offline	36 # cundare Posted at 2018-1-31 12:x OK, I'm washed with this thread.  Virtually all the responses were just guesses, and DJI is apparently the almost authoritative source available, since the FAA has not responded to my inquiries and has posted only cryptic information.  And no, the $5 is NOT the upshot, for chrissakes, simply this is something, equally the lawyers say, upon which reasonable mindsd may differ.  Everyone who tin can't effigy out why the NY Times reports that the overwhelming majority of drone users do non register their units is welcome to go pay the $5 for a device that does not require registration. Just thanks for all the responses anyhow.  Unless I hear differently from someone with unambiguous primary-source informatio, the event is closed: although registration is required for DJI's older models, the Spark falls below the FAA's weight limit, based on the manner that the FAA interprets the statutory requirements. There is no ambiguity in the FAA'southward guidelines on this matter.  None.  It states, quite conspicuously: "Unmanned shipping weighing less than 55 pounds and more 0.55 pounds  (250 grams) on takeoff, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft and operated outdoors in the national  airspace system must annals." The uas_weights_registration.pdf document y'all referenced has absolutely no bearing on this topic at all.  Information technology is but providing examples of drones which, under the supposition manufacturer weights are accurate, would not need to be registered.  It even makes a bespeak of specifying that any optional equipment added to the aircraft, such as an addition camera or actress capacity battery, are not included in these weights and the document clearly implies that the improver of such equipment may button it over the 250g limit. You can practise whatever yous'd similar of class, simply ignorance of the law doesn't absolve you from culpability.  Maybe you lot should have that $5 and put it towards a reading comprehension course at the local community college.
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k9education Offline k9education lvl.ane Flight distance : 184 ft + Add Friend Person Message Offline	38 # Since yous, literally, demand information technology spelled out for you, here you go: https://federaldroneregistration ... onestoberegistered/
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stuka75 Offline stuka75 Start Officer Flight altitude : 85682 ft + Add Friend Person Message Offline	40 # k9education Posted at 2018-five-13 20:37 Since yous, literally, need information technology spelled out for y'all, here you become: https://federaldroneregistration.com/requireddronestoberegistered/ LOL. Skilful one. In addition FWIW, the pilot is registered, not the drone for hobby flying. The pilots FAA number needs to be on the drone/aircraft.
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Bing Err Offline Bing Err Captain Flight distance : 8899783 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message United States Offline	41 # FatherXmas Posted at 2018-1-30 17:24 I remember reading somewhere that the weight includes everything required to have off which would include the battery. Since there seems to be a lot of conflicting information near the need to register or non, just my opinion, I think I'd go ahead and register. For $5, why risk information technology? From the FAA website: 'Yous volition exist subject to civil and criminal penalties if yous come across the criteria to register an unmanned shipping and do not register.' Has anyone every been prosecuted to civil and criminal penalties for not registering their drone?
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Madwand Offline Madwand 2d Officer Flying distance : 73018 ft + Add Friend Person Message Offline	42 # "Bohemian"1776 Posted at 2018-1-28 17:30 Since Spark weighs .66lbs, and FAA mandates registration of .55lbs or higher, I registered mine. It'south merely $5 for three years. Ameliorate to be safe and in compliance. Its $25 for 3 years, not $5.
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FatherXmas Offline FatherXmas Captain Flight distance : 4058619 ft >>> + Add Friend Person Message The states Offline	44 # Madwand Posted at 2018-5-xiv 21:01 Its $25 for 3 years, not $v. That is non correct,  You must exist looking at a 3rd party site, the actual FAA  site is $5 for 3 years. https://faadronezone.faa.gov/#/
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dronego Offline dronego lvl.3 + Add together Friend Person Message United States Offline	46 # Madwand Posted at 2018-v-14 21:01 Its $25 for 3 years, not $five. i just called FAA a few min agone. DJI spark needs to exist registered. I just registered, $5 for 3 yrs and got my registration number
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NedUK Offline NedUK lvl.4 Flight distance : 555262 ft + Add Friend Person Message United kingdom Offline	47 # Exercise you have a reason why you don't want to register? You seem to be going well out of your way to say that other people are not reading these post right but the info is right there. I see optional cameras and bombardment's (some people strap and wire in actress bombardment's) every bit the option chemical element here.. The fact is your Spark is over the weight with everything it needs to fly.. that'due south the weight that is going to hit someone on the head or crash into someone's holding. Pay your $five and have peace of mind
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Madwand Offline Madwand Second Officer Flying altitude : 73018 ft + Add together Friend Person Message Offline	48 # FatherXmas Posted at 2018-v-15 07:24 That is not correct,  You must exist looking at a 3rd political party site, the actual FAA  site is $5 for iii years. https://faadronezone.faa.gov/#/ I guess i got suckered...
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bentbrent Offline bentbrent lvl.1 Flying distance : 39314 ft + Add together Friend Person Message Us Offline	49 # Despite all the claims and counter claims over whether or not you lot demand to annals a Spark, bear this in listen: if you register with the FAA for recreation purposes only, you DO NOT annals the actual drone. Y'all register yourself. You are issued a number that y'all put on all your drones. The FAA doesn't continue track of how many, or which drones you take.
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Crystalskulls Offline Crystalskulls lvl.1 + Add Friend Person Message Canada Offline	50 # Yeah to lighter battery!!! If the spark had a lighter battery it would autumn under the 250 gram weight....now if y'all were flight with that battery is some other story.. Be like having a inside way out....   Yep at present has capability  of a take off weight of less then 250..with smaller bombardment... . Respond yes I would buy this item
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